Black Caps levels of hubris = high
Hubris
That was a dire level of effort and performance from the Black Caps. Thrashed by the ninth ranked team in our own backyard.
The Black Caps played that game in a world where they just have to turn up, and the lowly ranked opposition will roll over for World Champs. Luke "batting coach?" Ronchi may have been in the sun too long when he was talking about winning the game as late as last night; his charges went on to lose two wickets in about the time it took us to clear the bag check this morning.
Bowlers The Bangladeshi pace trio worked away constantly, with Ebadot by far the fastest bowler on display. They looked consistently dangerous. At times we looked like an early morning selection at Patrick's Pies. Ravindra bowled 20+ unmemorable overs.
Changes?
Mitchell in for Ravindra. Little point in having a under-performing batsman and bowler at #7, regardless of pace v spin. Ravindra can find some form back in domestic cricket.
It is very tempting to leave out Southee for just one game. For Henry or Patel, or whoever. Perhaps a short sharp reminder is needed about consistency. Or... it might just be that he's evolving into the proverbial Clouderson as his career reaches the end, and that is the best he has from now on? Am not entirely sure...
Any random domestic keeper for Blundell may not produce a worse performance on current form - it reads like there is at least one good alternative out there on current form. There's no heir apparent in sport if you don't perform, and Blundell has done little of note to deserve that tag since the MCG.
Taylor is very lucky Williamson is injured. Sentimentality is great, but if we want to retain that giant mace, we're a long way behind already.
Curiosity
How has Kyle Jamieson gone from a $2.86 million IPL contract last February, to eventually not getting a start for RCB, and reverting back past the mean with bat and ball for the Black Caps? Dunno, but Jurgensen, Ronchi, and/or the mental skills team have a bit of work to do.
Paint by numbers?
Gary Stead and Tom Latham. Their selections, tactics, and on-field nous are increasingly by rote; predictable and pedestrian. Latham is such a contrast with a former captain now up in the commentary box. Yes, we miss Williamson in many ways, but the contrast was still much bigger than expected.
But clearly you are overreacting based on one game?
Don't blame the Black Caps preparation at all, it's an undeserved get out of jail card. They came into this series after playing two tests in India, both teams had to go through the same MIQ system, and the two day warmup game that the Bangladeshi's got saw only 20-odd overs bowled on day one thanks to rain. And which team was playing at home again? At a ground where we've beaten England and Pakistan in the first test of a series?
The "hEnrY's piE cArT" retort; by that standard, see also on current form: Tim Southee, Kyle Jamieson, Rachin Ravindra.
This is not entirely out of the blue. Ajaz's 10-for heroics in India were brilliant. But they conveniently glossed over (a) how nonthreatening the bowling was at the other end from all concerned, and (b) the "we're in India so we need spinners" mindless selection of Will Sommerville over Neil Wagner, especially by the time of the second Test. The bowling at Bay Oval was primarily a continuation of that, especially from Southee and Jamieson. Boult has had plenty of prep time in the Mount lately.
The pitch and/or the heat. Were pretty much consistent for the full five days, but it didn't seem to affect Bangladesh anywhere near as much...
Bay Oval
Put some shade sails out the back somewhere, for goodness sake.
tl;dr: Black Caps levels of hubris = high.
This really is a disappointing result and it had to happen at sometime given the age of our bowlers and some batters.
Still suuuucks that the drop off the cliff is so rapid.
Funny that after the first test in India, I was hopeful and maybe expectant of our first series win over there.......
@hooroo We are starting to resemble English Rugby 2004 
Congrats to the Bangladeshi team. Hate it when losers focus just on their own deficiencies. Bangles outplayed us in every facet of the game Full credit etc
Need to turn this around quickly or could be a loooong summer of cricket...
@dogmeat said in Black Caps v Bangladesh 2022:
@hooroo We are starting to resemble English Rugby 2004
Congrats to the Bangladeshi team. Hate it when losers focus just on their own deficiencies. Bangles outplayed us in every facet of the game Full credit etc
Need to turn this around quickly or could be a loooong summer of cricket...
Happy to see that Aussie are awesome again and NZ suck. Bloody good times....
There were a combination of factors which caused us to lose that game.
One of them was the pitch and the weather conditions. In hindsight, that was a crucial toss to win. I think had we won the toss and bowled we could have got into their top order on the first day. Bangladesh won the toss and, although they could not exploit the conditions themselves, they stopped us from doing so. The hot weather baked and flattened out the pitch. Maybe batting last could have been difficult on that pitch but we didn't have the bowlers or the runs of the board to do it.
We also weren't properly prepared. Most of our team had not played test cricket since the Indian series. With COVID there is not much that can be done about that. I would say that this match does show the importance of making sure our test players are available for a few games of first class cricket early in the season.
There are plenty of negatives we could point out in terms of the performances. Of course, many people are looking for someone to blame. The truth is you can't blame how the team was selected.
Boult and Southee are two of our best bowlers ever, we know what Wagner brings and Jamieson's record speaks for itself. Given that we are going with four bowlers, we need a spin bowling all rounder in there. Santner and Sodhi have been tried and failed so it is clear why they went with Ravindra.
As for the batting, our whole team has great records. People think Nicholls is lucky to be there or should be dropped. However, his average is better than Fleming's. Although our team has shown a good uptick in results, I think people are deluded if they think we have domestic batsmen who can slot in and average 40 plus. Mitchell has a good record but it remains to be seen if he can retain that after playing more tests. The game did show how much we miss Williamson. If he had played, I doubt we would have lost.
The only thing I will add is that it is disappointing how quickly we collapsed. We didn't get to see a lot of fight today.
The other reason we lost is because Bangladesh were incredible! At numerous times you expected them to fold with the bat but it didn't happen. Their bowlers were really disciplined, even when they did not look dangerous. Let's not forget Bangladesh are missing Shakib and Tamin Iqbal.
Good performance Bangladesh, poor performance by NZ, but that in part is because of their good performance.
Transitional time now for the batting line up, Kane back for Ross's retirement is essentially our batting line up for the next 5 years, so it might take a year of bedding in.
Next stop, the Hagley GreenOval at which Southee and Boult will suddenly perform and we will salvage the series with an innings win.
@hydro11 when did Bangladesh last play test match cricket? I'm not sure we have a comparable excuse?
@act-crusader said in Black Caps v Bangladesh 2022:
An 8 wicket loss to the Bangles, you couldn’t script it but that is what we love about sport. It’s unpredictable, the against all odds can actually happen, underdogs do get up from time to time.
There will be massive questions asked about our prep, selections, captaincy and individual performances. And so there should be, but I tip my potae to the Bangles and the way they went about it. Their application and energy seemed a cut above any of their recent performances and more importantly in this match above ours.
Congrats.
To quote the great philosopher* million-to-one chances crop up nine times out of ten.
- Terry Pratchett
@donsteppa said in Black Caps v Bangladesh 2022:
Don't hold out huge hopes for a backlash at Hagley Oval The Craps look like a bunch of disinterested 3rd XI park cricketers.
Was thinking last evening that they need the rugby equivalent of hitting the tackle bags and a huge session on the scrum machine.
@hooroo said in Black Caps v Bangladesh 2022:
@hydro11 when did Bangladesh last play test match cricket? I'm not sure we have a comparable excuse?
Literally they were playing last month against Pakistan.
@hydro11 there is no doubt on a flat dry pitch our attack lacks a bit of cut through. No genuine speed merchants - the ones we have tried have broken down when a test match load has been placed on them. Spinners who are all rounders or just don’t get picked or even bowled. So losing the toss in hot dry conditions (when did we last have this type of heat for so long) put us on the back foot. Given that. the comments about Southee and Jamieson lack a bit of perspective. Let’s see how they go in next match.
For me Blundell has to be biggest disappointment - not a great wicket keeper but I thought he would make runs. Backs up India series where he averaged 5.75 ahead of Ross Taylor with 5, with two short stay ducks. Given his wicket keeping is poor he needs to make runs.
@donsteppa said in Black Caps v Bangladesh 2022:
Hubris.
That was a dire level of effort and performance from the Black Caps. Thrashed by the ninth ranked team in our own backyard.
The Black Caps played that game in a world where they just have to turn up, and the lowly ranked opposition will roll over for World Champs. Luke "batting coach?" Ronchi may have been in the sun too long when he was talking about winning the game as late as last night; his charges went on to lose two wickets in about the time it took us to clear the bag check this morning.
Bowlers.
The Bangladeshi pace trio worked away constantly, with Ebadot by far the fastest bowler on display. They looked consistently dangerous. At times we looked like an early morning selection at Patrick's Pies. Ravindra bowled 20+ unmemorable overs.Changes?:
Mitchell in for Ravindra. Little point in having a under-performing batsman and bowler at #7, regardless of pace v spin. Ravindra can find some form back in domestic cricket.
It is very tempting to leave out Southee for just one game. For Henry or Patel, or whoever. Perhaps a short sharp reminder is needed about consistency. Or... it might just be that he's evolving into the proverbial Clouderson as his career reaches the end, and that is the best he has from now on? Am not entirely sure...
Any random domestic keeper for Blundell may not produce a worse performance on current form - it reads like there is at least one good alternative out there on current form. There's no heir apparent in sport if you don't perform, and Blundell has done little of note to deserve that tag since the MCG.
Taylor is very lucky Williamson is injured. Sentimentality is great, but if we want to retain that giant mace, we're a long way behind already.
Curiosity
How has Kyle Jamieson gone from a $2.86 million IPL contract last February, to eventually not getting a start for RCB, and reverting back past the mean with bat and ball for the Black Caps? Dunno, but Jurgensen, Ronchi, and/or the mental skills team have a bit of work to do.
Paint by numbers?
Gary Stead and Tom Latham. Their selections, tactics, and on-field nous are increasingly by rote; predictable and pedestrian. Latham is such a contrast with a former captain now up in the commentary box. Yes, we miss Williamson in many ways, but the contrast was still much bigger than expected.
But clearly you are overreacting based on one game?
Don't blame the Black Caps preparation at all, it's an undeserved get out of jail card. They came into this series after playing two tests in India, both teams had to go through the same MIQ system, and the two day warmup game that the Bangladeshi's got saw only 20-odd overs bowled on day one thanks to rain. And which team was playing at home again? At a ground where we've beaten England and Pakistan in the first test of a series?
The "hEnrY's piE cArT" retort; by that standard, see also on current form: Tim Southee, Kyle Jamieson, Rachin Ravindra.
This is not entirely out of the blue. Ajaz's 10-for heroics in India were brilliant. But they conveniently glossed over (a) how nonthreatening the bowling was at the other end from all concerned, and (b) the "we're in India so we need spinners" mindless selection of Will Sommerville over Neil Wagner, especially by the time of the second Test. The bowling at Bay Oval was primarily a continuation of that, especially from Southee and Jamieson. Boult has had plenty of prep time in the Mount lately.
The pitch and/or the heat. Were pretty much consistent for the full five days, but it didn't seem to affect Bangladesh anywhere near as much...
Bay Oval
Put some shade sails out the back somewhere, for goodness sake.
tl;dr: Black Caps levels of hubris = high.
This is reactionary. Jamieson averaged 30 in India; Southee averaged less than 30. Your genius idea is to replace those players with someone who averages 45 after one poor performance. Shocking, horrible idea.
Maybe we need to go back to being crap for a while so fans can stop acting so entitled?
@kev said in Black Caps v Bangladesh 2022:
@hydro11 there is no doubt on a flat dry pitch our attack lacks a bit of cut through. No genuine speed merchants - the ones we have tried have broken down when a test match load has been placed on them. Spinners who are all rounders or just don’t get picked or even bowled. So losing the toss in hot dry conditions (when did we last have this type of heat for so long) put us on the back foot. Given that. the comments about Southee and Jamieson lack a bit of perspective. Let’s see how they go in next match.
For me Blundell has to be biggest disappointment - not a great wicket keeper but I thought he would make runs. Backs up India series where he averaged 5.75 ahead of Ross Taylor with 5, with two short stay ducks. Given his wicket keeping is poor he needs to make runs.
I would have expected Jamieson to offer a lot more in those conditions. I thought his bounce would trouble Bangladesh more. We all know that Southee and Boult need to swing the ball to be effective, which they weren't able to do. Our plan B has always been Wagner and Bangladesh dealt with him well in this game.
@hydro11 said in Black Caps v Bangladesh 2022:
This is reactionary. Jamieson averaged 30 in India; Southee averaged less than 30. Your genius idea is to replace those players with someone who averages 45 after one poor performance. Shocking, horrible idea.
Maybe we need to go back to being crap for a while so fans can stop acting so entitled?
I'm not replacing Jamieson anywhere in that post.
@hydro11 ... and whether it's sarcastically genius or not, it was already being raised in the press last night, at the very least as a rotational thing at that stage. (https://www.stuff.co.nz/sport/cricket/black-caps/300490128/the-first-lean-spell-in-the-career-of-black-caps-quick-bowler-kyle-jamieson)
Jamieson and Southee will expect more assistance from the Hagley Oval wicket in Christchurch in the second test against Bangladesh starting on Sunday, but after both played the two tests against India, one could be given a game off with Matt Henry playing instead.
A couple of random photos from the end.
The visiting fan contingent by the final boundary.
Was good to see the non playing squad - Henry, Mitchell, and I think the reserve fielder also turn out for genuine congrats to the Bangladeshi side after the initial round of handshakes.
@hydro11 said in Black Caps v Bangladesh 2022:
@hooroo said in Black Caps v Bangladesh 2022:
@hydro11 when did Bangladesh last play test match cricket? I'm not sure we have a comparable excuse?
Literally they were playing last month against Pakistan.
At exactly the same time as we were playing being educated in India.
Both teams had very similar preparations.
@hydro11 said in Black Caps v Bangladesh 2022:
@donsteppa said in Black Caps v Bangladesh 2022:
Hubris.
That was a dire level of effort and performance from the Black Caps. Thrashed by the ninth ranked team in our own backyard.
The Black Caps played that game in a world where they just have to turn up, and the lowly ranked opposition will roll over for World Champs. Luke "batting coach?" Ronchi may have been in the sun too long when he was talking about winning the game as late as last night; his charges went on to lose two wickets in about the time it took us to clear the bag check this morning.
Bowlers.
The Bangladeshi pace trio worked away constantly, with Ebadot by far the fastest bowler on display. They looked consistently dangerous. At times we looked like an early morning selection at Patrick's Pies. Ravindra bowled 20+ unmemorable overs.Changes?:
Mitchell in for Ravindra. Little point in having a under-performing batsman and bowler at #7, regardless of pace v spin. Ravindra can find some form back in domestic cricket.
It is very tempting to leave out Southee for just one game. For Henry or Patel, or whoever. Perhaps a short sharp reminder is needed about consistency. Or... it might just be that he's evolving into the proverbial Clouderson as his career reaches the end, and that is the best he has from now on? Am not entirely sure...
Any random domestic keeper for Blundell may not produce a worse performance on current form - it reads like there is at least one good alternative out there on current form. There's no heir apparent in sport if you don't perform, and Blundell has done little of note to deserve that tag since the MCG.
Taylor is very lucky Williamson is injured. Sentimentality is great, but if we want to retain that giant mace, we're a long way behind already.
Curiosity
How has Kyle Jamieson gone from a $2.86 million IPL contract last February, to eventually not getting a start for RCB, and reverting back past the mean with bat and ball for the Black Caps? Dunno, but Jurgensen, Ronchi, and/or the mental skills team have a bit of work to do.
Paint by numbers?
Gary Stead and Tom Latham. Their selections, tactics, and on-field nous are increasingly by rote; predictable and pedestrian. Latham is such a contrast with a former captain now up in the commentary box. Yes, we miss Williamson in many ways, but the contrast was still much bigger than expected.
But clearly you are overreacting based on one game?
Don't blame the Black Caps preparation at all, it's an undeserved get out of jail card. They came into this series after playing two tests in India, both teams had to go through the same MIQ system, and the two day warmup game that the Bangladeshi's got saw only 20-odd overs bowled on day one thanks to rain. And which team was playing at home again? At a ground where we've beaten England and Pakistan in the first test of a series?
The "hEnrY's piE cArT" retort; by that standard, see also on current form: Tim Southee, Kyle Jamieson, Rachin Ravindra.
This is not entirely out of the blue. Ajaz's 10-for heroics in India were brilliant. But they conveniently glossed over (a) how nonthreatening the bowling was at the other end from all concerned, and (b) the "we're in India so we need spinners" mindless selection of Will Sommerville over Neil Wagner, especially by the time of the second Test. The bowling at Bay Oval was primarily a continuation of that, especially from Southee and Jamieson. Boult has had plenty of prep time in the Mount lately.
The pitch and/or the heat. Were pretty much consistent for the full five days, but it didn't seem to affect Bangladesh anywhere near as much...
Bay Oval
Put some shade sails out the back somewhere, for goodness sake.
tl;dr: Black Caps levels of hubris = high.
This is reactionary. Jamieson averaged 30 in India; Southee averaged less than 30. Your genius idea is to replace those players with someone who averages 45 after one poor performance. Shocking, horrible idea.
Maybe we need to go back to being crap for a while so fans can stop acting so entitled?
Shocking performance by the BC, the lack of fight by the tail .Mot prepared to dig in not once but twice.
The stupid tactics of bowling to off side fields on a dead pitch with variable bounce instead of bowling at the stumps to use the variable bounce.
To keep bowling in the areas and kissing the pitch was dumb they should have hit the pitch harder on the dead pitch to use the wkt just going through the motions.
Just a very dissapointing limp arse performance .
Like the 2nd test V India soft that’s what concerns me no intent.
That result and the BC performance has certainly given some life to this test series.
It makes for a fascinating 2nd test in ChCh.
Can Bangladesh dominate again or will the BC lift,and play a much smarter tactical game with a lot more application and intensity.
I for one am looking forward to the response from both teams.
@sparky said in Black Caps v Bangladesh 2022:
Didn't see that result coming if I am honest. Every respect to Bangladesh on a superb performance and a sensational result.
Time for the BCs to lick their wounds in private, then bounce back at Christchurch.
No one disagreed before the game that the team we put wasn't the best one available. Apart from Wags and Conway the others failed to turn up. Time for them to salvage some pride and give the Bangles a smashing in game 2
Fucking great start to 2022 lol
The Bangles are a team that has enough quality to beat anyone on their day if the opposition is off their game, hence them racking up more and more wins in the shorter forms. But to do it over 5 days, away from home, is a superb effort - hats off to them, they've come to play this time around and we haven't responded to the challenge. All credit to them, their fans should cherish this result.
I said earlier in the thread that we miss Kane's captaincy in games like this, and it has highlighted the lack of influence Stead has over the team. We are very much the Kane Williamson show, and if he's missing we go down a few notches in intensity and professionalism.
If we win the toss in the 2nd test and put them in on a green pitch we'll probably roll them cheaply and set up a big win. If we lose the toss that'll be a good test of whether we can respond to the challenge.
Good stuff Bangladesh, I doubt any of your fans will read this forum but you should be damn proud of that effort.
@no-quarter said in Black Caps v Bangladesh 2022:
Fucking great start to 2022 lol
The Bangles are a team that has enough quality to beat anyone of their day if the opposition is off their game, hence them racking up more and more wins in the shorter forms. But to do it over 5 days, away from home, is a superb effort - hats off to them, they've come to play this time around and we haven't responded to the challenge. All credit to them, their fans should cherish this result.
I said earlier in the thread that we miss Kane's captaincy in games like this, and it has highlighted the lack of influence Stead has over the team. We are very much the Kane Williamson show, and if he's missing we go down a few notches in intensity and professionalism.
If we win the toss in the 2nd test and put them in on a green pitch we'll probably roll them cheaply and set up a big win. If we lose the toss that'll be a good test of whether we can respond to the challenge.
Good stuff Bangladesh, I doubt any of your fans will read this forum but you should be damn proud of that effort.
Easily the best moment in their cricketing history.
I remember going to the one vs the Windies in 1995. Curtly brought the house down when he walked past the bank and waved at everyone while the Windies were batting ( let’s face it he had a lot of time to put his feet up )
But that was a very good Windies team and we were a bit shit in many cases. Defeat was expected. This loss today is much, much worse.
@mn5 they missed that game against Pakistan where we couldn't chase 110 or so in Hamilton. That was gutting.
The south Africa game shouldn't be in the list, quality quality bowling that did the same to Australia a year or two later I think
@nzzp said in Black Caps v Bangladesh 2022:
@mn5 they missed that game against Pakistan where we couldn't chase 110 or so in Hamilton. That was gutting.
The south Africa game shouldn't be in the list, quality quality bowling that did the same to Australia a year or two later I think
Yep, Australia briefly were threatening 26 all out from memory.
@donsteppa said in Black Caps v Bangladesh 2022:
@nzzp said in Black Caps v Bangladesh 2022:
@mn5 they missed that game against Pakistan where we couldn't chase 110 or so in Hamilton. That was gutting.
The south Africa game shouldn't be in the list, quality quality bowling that did the same to Australia a year or two later I think
Yep, Australia briefly were threatening 26 all out from memory.
This one: 9/21 at one stage
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@canefan said in Black Caps v Bangladesh 2022:
@sparky said in Black Caps v Bangladesh 2022:
Didn't see that result coming if I am honest. Every respect to Bangladesh on a superb performance and a sensational result.
Time for the BCs to lick their wounds in private, then bounce back at Christchurch.
No one disagreed before the game that the team we put wasn't the best one available. Apart from Wags and Conway the others failed to turn up. Time for them to salvage some pride and give the Bangles a smashing in game 2
A couple of thoughts:
Despite the poor performance I think the only realistic possible change is Mitchell for Ravindra.
And realistically there's more future in Ravindra than Santner, so happy to invest a little there.
Can't see Blundell getting dropped for this test. But can see a replacement moving forward.
Team need a rocket (and tackle bags).
@mn5 said in Black Caps v Bangladesh 2022:
@no-quarter said in Black Caps v Bangladesh 2022:
Fucking great start to 2022 lol
The Bangles are a team that has enough quality to beat anyone of their day if the opposition is off their game, hence them racking up more and more wins in the shorter forms. But to do it over 5 days, away from home, is a superb effort - hats off to them, they've come to play this time around and we haven't responded to the challenge. All credit to them, their fans should cherish this result.
I said earlier in the thread that we miss Kane's captaincy in games like this, and it has highlighted the lack of influence Stead has over the team. We are very much the Kane Williamson show, and if he's missing we go down a few notches in intensity and professionalism.
If we win the toss in the 2nd test and put them in on a green pitch we'll probably roll them cheaply and set up a big win. If we lose the toss that'll be a good test of whether we can respond to the challenge.
Good stuff Bangladesh, I doubt any of your fans will read this forum but you should be damn proud of that effort.
Easily the best moment in their cricketing history.
I remember back in the 80s when the fledgling Sri Lankan cricket test side were the easybeats of world cricket. Similarly, Bangladesh have a strong fan and player base, and it was inevitable that they would win an away test against a top tier nation sooner rather than later. Still a shame it had to be us, but a good kick up the arse isn't necessarily a bad thing. We did not become rubbish overnight, but lessons regarding preparation for every opponent should be seared into these guys from this loss
Haven’t read the prior 360odd posts but to me this performance really highlights the impact that Williamson has on the team when he’s on the field, in a captaincy role or otherwise.
He leads from the front and the “steady the ship” slogan really shows the composure he brings to not only his game but the other players in the team, ie, those who he bats with, and whilst fielding the chat in the field and tactical changes he makes with bowlers and the field, etc. I can’t believe we would have folded or played with a lack of spine like we did the past 5 days had he been in the team.
The sooner he is back, the better.
Fuck being a Kiwi cricket fan. Second you start to think we don't do that shit anymore, we do.
Regardless of anything else, that Wednesday morning effort was atrociously poor. We still had a pretty good chance of a draw with 5 wickets intact on a dead wicket. All we had to do was block it out and get the last 5 wickets to add another 100-120 runs and we would have been fine. Instead we rolled over like lame ducks.
We have a right to be angry, we are supposed to be better than this shit now.
@canefan said in Black Caps v Bangladesh 2022:
I remember back in the 80s when the fledgling Sri Lankan cricket test side were the easybeats of world cricket. Similarly, Bangladesh have a strong fan and player base, and it was inevitable that they would win an away test against a top tier nation sooner rather than later.
And I think Bangles have been pretty solid in age grade for a number of years now so yeah it was only a matter of time.
@canefan said in Black Caps v Bangladesh 2022:
@mn5 said in Black Caps v Bangladesh 2022:
@no-quarter said in Black Caps v Bangladesh 2022:
Fucking great start to 2022 lol
The Bangles are a team that has enough quality to beat anyone of their day if the opposition is off their game, hence them racking up more and more wins in the shorter forms. But to do it over 5 days, away from home, is a superb effort - hats off to them, they've come to play this time around and we haven't responded to the challenge. All credit to them, their fans should cherish this result.
I said earlier in the thread that we miss Kane's captaincy in games like this, and it has highlighted the lack of influence Stead has over the team. We are very much the Kane Williamson show, and if he's missing we go down a few notches in intensity and professionalism.
If we win the toss in the 2nd test and put them in on a green pitch we'll probably roll them cheaply and set up a big win. If we lose the toss that'll be a good test of whether we can respond to the challenge.
Good stuff Bangladesh, I doubt any of your fans will read this forum but you should be damn proud of that effort.
Easily the best moment in their cricketing history.
I remember back in the 80s when the fledgling Sri Lankan cricket test side were the easybeats of world cricket. Similarly, Bangladesh have a strong fan and player base, and it was inevitable that they would win an away test against a top tier nation sooner rather than later. Still a shame it had to be us, but a good kick up the arse isn't necessarily a bad thing. We did not become rubbish overnight, but lessons regarding preparation for every opponent should be seared into these guys from this loss
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[rant] Wow what a disaster, fair play to the Bangladeshi team for exploiting our arrogance/ineptitude or whatever it was that lead to a complete lack of adherence to the recent blackcap standards and Im talking about actions in the field. The form was well below par, but the behavioural aspect was one of the most disappointing aspects of that game.
Also this shows again that the selection management of the squad was again poor, not just the prep which was also below par. Stead is a joke. I am sure I will be corrected if I am wrong, but I heard on TV commentary that Patel didn't even make this squad?, yet spin played a major part. The irony is Stead would have probably left Wagner out if he actually read the pitch correctly. Seriously are team management so arrogant they do not even consult the ground consultants these days? Admittedly if our pace/carthorse bowlers actually bowled to their ability we would have been more competitive, although I agree with those that said our batting was more of a worry.
I can't see [scribe]many/if any [/scribe] changes for Christchurch although the riot act should be read to the team about their on field effort and behaviour
Team selection will be important for Christchurch and if there has to be a knee-jerk reaction change, then it should be Blundell/Cleaver. If you're not going to play your number one keeper on a greenish pitch to Bangladesh then its only going to get harder. Stead needs to talk to the groundsmen first before making any selection and if he doesn't take on the feedback then he should be the one getting the uppercut.
Lastly can we rig a fricken toss?!
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@godder said in Black Caps v Bangladesh 2022:
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@no-quarter said in Black Caps v Bangladesh 2022:
Fucking great start to 2022 lol
The Bangles are a team that has enough quality to beat anyone of their day if the opposition is off their game, hence them racking up more and more wins in the shorter forms. But to do it over 5 days, away from home, is a superb effort - hats off to them, they've come to play this time around and we haven't responded to the challenge. All credit to them, their fans should cherish this result.
I said earlier in the thread that we miss Kane's captaincy in games like this, and it has highlighted the lack of influence Stead has over the team. We are very much the Kane Williamson show, and if he's missing we go down a few notches in intensity and professionalism.
If we win the toss in the 2nd test and put them in on a green pitch we'll probably roll them cheaply and set up a big win. If we lose the toss that'll be a good test of whether we can respond to the challenge.
Good stuff Bangladesh, I doubt any of your fans will read this forum but you should be damn proud of that effort.
Easily the best moment in their cricketing history.
I remember back in the 80s when the fledgling Sri Lankan cricket test side were the easybeats of world cricket. Similarly, Bangladesh have a strong fan and player base, and it was inevitable that they would win an away test against a top tier nation sooner rather than later. Still a shame it had to be us, but a good kick up the arse isn't necessarily a bad thing. We did not become rubbish overnight, but lessons regarding preparation for every opponent should be seared into these guys from this loss
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@nzzp said in Black Caps v Bangladesh 2022:
The south Africa game shouldn't be in the list, quality quality bowling that did the same to Australia a year or two later I think
Although it's obviously a stain on our record the 26 at Eden Park was probably more acceptable than the loss to the Bangles.
England were coming straight on from an Ashes series where they had triumphed 3-1 after losing the first Test at the Gabba. Their confidence was sky high.
By contrast NZ really only had two class batsmen Sutcliffe and Reid and none of the team had played a game of cricket in the six weeks prior to the first test.
The England side had a host of all time greats captained by Hutton and including May, Cowdrey, Graveney in the batting line up Godfrey Evans (wk) and a bowling attack led by Statham and the blistering pace of Tyson supported by the spin of Wardle and Appleyard and the all rounder Trevor Bailey.
Then it rained - on uncovered wickets. England were only just in front when Hutton said to his bowlers stick around. If we can get a lead of 40 we won't have to bat again on this wicket.
Compared to the capitulation over the last 5 days by the #2 side in the world the amateurs of 1955 did pretty good.
An interesting read from Ian Anderson at Stuff:
Black Caps shock defeat to Bangladesh raises questions, but more proof needed
Quoting parts:
... Instead, Bangladesh scored what could easily be rated as the biggest upset victory in the history of test cricket, which therefore also qualified as one of New Zealand’s most ignominious test defeats.
It wasn’t being bowled out by England for 26, but such was New Zealand’s lowly test standing when that occurred in 1955 (they were yet to win a test), being hammered wasn't a massive shock, even if the skeleton-thin score set and remains a test record for futility with the bat.
Hence why it’s hard to find an analogous result or performance – New Zealand have had plenty of miserable displays in their test history, but almost all have come when expectations have been lower than a limbo bar. ...
... It was a poor test for stand-in skipper Tom Latham, but other team-mates got knocked over by a bowler whose test average was more than 80 prior to coming to NZ. A wicket that looked placid when the hosts bowled was made to look like a WW1 minefield when Ebadot and his partners in crime steamed in as Kyle Jamieson and Tim Southee proved ineffective. ....
... Latham denied that his troops under-rated their opponents, but the performance suggested otherwise. That won’t happen again come Sunday, nor against South Africa in two home tests next month.
By then, we’ll know more whether this test was just a blip in a phenomenal string of home performances from what remains our best test team in history, or the radar signalling something bigger.