Tyson v Wilder II
It was a masterstroke changing trainers for Fury to improve his work on the inside. Don't get me wrong Ben Davidson did a decent job getting Fury back on track, but if Fury went into the rematch with the same plan as the first fight, he may have still won, but Wilder would have had much more of a chance of winning by setting up his one weapon - the straight right.
With Fury's new tactic of marching Wilder down from the get go, it sapped a lot of energy out of Wilder early which had him backing up in straight lines which didn't allow Wilder to get into position to set up his right hand as well as getting hurt regularly early on as Wilder had no answer to Fury picking him off from the inside. So by the time Wilder started throwing his right hand, he couldn't generate any power from it as he couldn't set it up properly and was just as worried about what Fury was going to throw back at him.
In the first fight between the two, yes Fury was winning on points, but Wilder was never hurt, nor worried about what Fury was throwing back at him. Just like Wilder fights in the past against Szpilka, Washington, Ortiz 2 etc where he was getting out boxed even against Arreola in parts, but not hurt by these guys so he could virtually spend all night against those guys figuring a way to land his one and only weapon.
Not this time however with Fury constantly on his chest battering him, his right hand was nullified with Fury using attack as the best form of defence. Not hovering off the back foot trying to fight at range worrying about getting hurt by Wilder and trying to win on the cards. Because if you fight with those tactics against Wilder, he Will eventually land that right hand. Him and his team were smart to duck Povetkin in 2016, the man who had the best inside game at the time.
If Joshua, Whyte or whoever fights Wilder in the future, they'll be smart to walk him down early and use their weight to their advantage by backing Wilder up in straight lines and tiring him out early.
One thing I do hope we don't get is a 3rd Fury v Wilder fight. Fury is levels above Wilder.
@kiwiinmelb said in Boxing Thread:
Eddie Hearn got bagged for saying it ,
But said a couple of weeks ago , he is switching his tip to wilder , Can’t say exactly what I’ve heard , but heard fury’s camp has not gone So well ,
Now in the days leading up to the fight , rumours have surfaced , fury’s cut from the previous fight has shown some not to good signs , and he hasn’t been able to spar properly, plus aggravated an ankle and hasn’t done any road work
Eddie don't know shit ?
Or dictating the betting.
Fury is so many things he shouldn't be. He looks like a gangly mess of arms and legs but he's light on his feet and a pretty gracefull fighter. He looks like he should gas but he doesn't.
I think he's probably restored the faith of a lot of pugilists purists. He's a real boxer. He goes out there with a plan and executes it. He used his weight perfectly and it was ultimately Wilder's own signature punch, straight right, from Fury that stopped the fight. To have had someone like Wilder, a non boxer, at the top for so long genuinely annoyed people. Me included. To have someone in that position routinely saying he wanted to kill people in the ring is fantastic to have gone. This sport doesn't need shit like that.
Never liked Fury, thought he was just some goofball that got lucky a whole lot. But he's easily the best HW since Lennox Lewis. The Klitschko's deserve their praise but he is better.
@raznomore said in Boxing Thread:
Never liked him, thought he was just some goofball that got lucky a whole lot.
Ditto. But I'll happily admit he has proved me wrong. He can box.
Wilder blames costume for Fury defeat
Deontay Wilder blames his elaborate ring-walk costume for his WBC heavyweight title defeat by Tyson Fury.
It was pretty damn elaborate.
@raznomore said in Boxing Thread:
Fury is so many things he shouldn't be. He looks like a gangly mess of arms and legs but he's light on his feet and a pretty gracefull fighter. He looks like he should gas but he doesn't.
I think he's probably restored the faith of a lot of pugilists purists. He's a real boxer. He goes out there with a plan and executes it. He used his weight perfectly and it was ultimately Wilder's own signature punch, straight right, from Fury that stopped the fight. To have had someone like Wilder, a non boxer, at the top for so long genuinely annoyed people. Me included. To have someone in that position routinely saying he wanted to kill people in the ring is fantastic to have gone. This sport doesn't need shit like that.
Never liked Fury, thought he was just some goofball that got lucky a whole lot. But he's easily the best HW since Lennox Lewis. The Klitschko's deserve their praise but he is better.
And at 6 foot 9 and 123 kilos he is a monster , that sheer bulk to go with his skills , would probably make him awkward to fight for anyone in history , i think its fair to say that now
@African-Monkey said in Boxing Thread:
1 thing I do hope we don't get is a 3rd Fury v Wilder fight. Fury is levels above Wilder.
Agree 100%, it doesn't make sense for anyone except Wilder's bank account.
Fury v Joshua would be massive.
@mofitzy_ said in Boxing Thread:
@African-Monkey said in Boxing Thread:
1 thing I do hope we don't get is a 3rd Fury v Wilder fight. Fury is levels above Wilder.
Agree 100%, it doesn't make sense for anyone except Wilder's bank account.
Fury v Joshua would be massive.
Fury v Wilder 3 is a done deal.
@MiketheSnow
Just read now there are talks of pushing it till late this year and having Joshua v Fury in summer.
@mofitzy_ said in Boxing Thread:
@MiketheSnow
Just read now there are talks of pushing it till late this year and having Joshua v Fury in summer.
Hope so
Most of that talk seems to comes from Eddie then the media jump on it ,
Havent heard anything too positive from Arum or Warren , when questioned they just continue to hang shit on eddie ,
Fury also has 2 fight left with his deal with ESPN which have to be in the US,
Contracts can be brought out , but im guessing he will have another fight in the US , see out Wilder 3 ,
Then look to Joshua and Whyte (who has the mandatory fight for the WBA title in 2021 )
@African-Monkey said in Boxing Thread:
It was a masterstroke changing trainers for Fury to improve his work on the inside. Don't get me wrong Ben Davidson did a decent job getting Fury back on track, but if Fury went into the rematch with the same plan as the first fight, he may have still won, but Wilder would have had much more of a chance of winning by setting up his one weapon - the straight right. With Fury's new tactic of marching Wilder down from the get go, it sapped a lot of energy out of Wilder early which had him backing up in straight lines which didn't allow Wilder to get into position to set up his right hand as well as getting hurt regularly early on as Wilder had no answer to Fury picking him off from the inside, so by the time Wilder started throwing his right hand, he couldn't generate any power from it as he couldn't set it up properly and was just as worried about what Fury was going to throw back at him.
In the first fight between the two, yes Fury was winning on points, but Wilder was never hurt, nor worried about what Fury was throwing back at him, just like Wilder figts in the past against Szpilka, Washington, Ortiz 2 etc. where he was getting out boxed even against Arreola in parts, but not hurt by these guys so he could virtually spend all night against those guys figuring a way to land his one and only weapon. Not this time however with Fury constantly on his chest battering him, his right hand was nullified with Fury using attack as the best form of defence, not hovering off the back foot trying to fight at range worrying about getting hurt by Wilder and trying to win on the cards, because if you fight with those tactics against Wilder, he Will eventually land that right hand. Him and his team were smart to duck Povetkin in 2016, the man who had the best inside game at the time.
If Joshua, Whyte or whoever fights Wilder in the future, they'll be smart to walk him down early and use their weight to their advantage by backing Wilder up in straight lines and tiring him out early. 1 thing I do hope we don't get is a 3rd Fury v Wilder fight. Fury is levels above Wilder.
The funny thing was Freddie Roach( who was in their corner ) said after the first fight , he advised after round 11 , attack him . when he is defending he cant set himself up to throw his money punch ,
Davidson over ruled him and look what happened , when he got up he went on the attack , you wonder if that played its part in Tyson going to Kronk .
@kiwiinmelb Exactly right I was meant to mention that too. Roach was very critical of Davidson's tactics. The only time we saw Fury dominate and go for broke was after the 2nd KD in round 12. I guess that's the difference in experience. Also, Fury only wanted Sugar Hill to assist with Davidson for the 2nd fight, but Davidson declined and left as a result.
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Very much in agreement with posters above, that was very impressive from Fury, didn't think he had it in him to do that but showed he has the tools.
Interesting comments here from Joe Rogan on the fight and how Fury decided what strategy he would employ in the rematch based on what happened in the first.
Poor old JP wins in impressive fashion and only an Iron Mike video posted today lol.
Parker took a few too many hits to the head but he was never in doubt. He looks to have worked on power punching and although the opponent was really a cruiser weight he has won in strong fashion.
@kiwiinmelb said in Boxing Thread:
main problem for Joe right now is getting fights ,
Seems like all the top heavyweights have got their fights/plans pretty close to mapped out for this year already ,
He may have to be content with fighting no bodies for a while longer
Isn't he in line for a mandatory if Joshua can't maintain his obligations and has to vacate a belt?
@Crucial said in Boxing Thread:
@kiwiinmelb said in Boxing Thread:
main problem for Joe right now is getting fights ,
Seems like all the top heavyweights have got their fights/plans pretty close to mapped out for this year already ,
He may have to be content with fighting no bodies for a while longer
Isn't he in line for a mandatory if Joshua can't maintain his obligations and has to vacate a belt?
Yes, he would fight Usyk for the vacant WBO belt.
@raznomore Unless Kiwis were prepared to pay to watch the Parker fight or find an illegal stream, most of us wouldn't have seen it. I only saw brief highlights on the evening news.
@Crucial said in Boxing Thread:
@kiwiinmelb said in Boxing Thread:
main problem for Joe right now is getting fights ,
Seems like all the top heavyweights have got their fights/plans pretty close to mapped out for this year already ,
He may have to be content with fighting no bodies for a while longer
Isn't he in line for a mandatory if Joshua can't maintain his obligations and has to vacate a belt?
That talk of vacating titles seems to have gone quiet now ,
Chisora and usyk are in line to fight in May
He certainly looks like he still has it and by golly he is a quirky, interesting character out of the ring too.
I don't know if ANYONE could have beaten him in his prime ( @raznomore could put this in better terms than I can ). One of those "what ifs" that always comes up.......Foreman/Tyson would certainly not have gone the distance that's for sure. Much taller guys like Lewis/Klitchkos/Fury etc would have the best chance out of anyone I suspect.
@Dice I do wonder what would have transpired if Cus had another decade walking on this Earth.
Mike must have been a scary prospect in his prime. All boxers have that element of fear, the butterflies etc. prior to a fight, but facing him must have been terrifying. He had movement, speed and power. Watching old footage and you can see some of his opponents were beaten before the bell had rung. It looks like more than a few took the first opportunity to elect to stay on that mat too, thinking "fuck getting up for more of that".
As a kid I loved watching Mike fight.
@antipodean said in Boxing Thread:
@Dice I do wonder what would have transpired if Cus had another decade walking on this Earth.
Mike must have been a scary prospect in his prime. All boxers have that element of fear, the butterflies etc. prior to a fight, but facing him must have been terrifying. He had movement, speed and power. Watching old footage and you can see some of his opponents were beaten before the bell had rung. ****It looks like more than a few took the first opportunity to elect to stay on that mat too, thinking "fuck getting up for more of that".
As a kid I loved watching Mike fight.
I'm fairly sure that's exactly what Larry Holmes said. He could have gotten up after the first knockdown but for what ? just to be knocked down again and risk serious injury ?
Holmes was a legend, it's a shame he took that fight years after his prime but money talks I guess.
Any strongman fans on TSF?
Thor Bjornsson (aka The Mountain from Game of Thrones) deadlifted 501kg at the weekend in his home gym to "break" Eddie Hall's 500kg record competition deadlfit from a few years ago.
These two have an excellent social media feud going ever since Eddie beat him at World's Strongest Man 2017. Thor complained afterwards the (Icelandic) ref did him out of a couple of reps in the squat competition which ended up being the difference in the final wash up. Called Eddie a cheat.
Eddie comes across as a GC, and Thor an absolute knob IMO. Eddie had said beforehand the record doesn't count as its not in competition, but wished him luck all the same for the attempt. Thor right after completing the lift called Eddie a cheat again and challenged him to a boxing match. The paperwork has been signed and they now have a 7 figure fight deal which will be amazing/comical to watch.
Eddie was a champion swimmer back in the day and does a decent amount of fight training on his social media feeds. He's 6'3" 160kg to Thor's 6'9" 205kg (Eddie was much bigger, around 200kg when he did the 500kg deadlift). It will be a great watch, they'll both be gassed inside 3 rounds. Eddie comes across as a bit of a pyscho as well, and was a bouncer before turning pro in strongman.
@TeWaio by three rounds you mean 30 secs into the first round. There's no way the mountain has any aerobic capacity.
@TeWaio said in Boxing Thread:
Any strongman fans on TSF?
Thor Bjornsson (aka The Mountain from Game of Thrones) deadlifted 501kg at the weekend in his home gym to "break" Eddie Hall's 500kg record competition deadlfit from a few years ago.
These two have an excellent social media feud going ever since Eddie beat him at World's Strongest Man 2017. Thor complained afterwards the (Icelandic) ref did him out of a couple of reps in the squat competition which ended up being the difference in the final wash up. Called Eddie a cheat.
Eddie comes across as a GC, and Thor an absolute knob IMO. Eddie had said beforehand the record doesn't count as its not in competition, but wished him luck all the same for the attempt. Thor right after completing the lift called Eddie a cheat again and challenged him to a boxing match. The paperwork has been signed and they now have a 7 figure fight deal which will be amazing/comical to watch.
Eddie was a champion swimmer back in the day and does a decent amount of fight training on his social media feeds. He's 6'3" 160kg to Thor's 6'9" 205kg (Eddie was much bigger, around 200kg when he did the 500kg deadlift). It will be a great watch, they'll both be gassed inside 3 rounds. Eddie comes across as a bit of a pyscho as well, and was a bouncer before turning pro in strongman.
Probably the wrong thread but yeah I’ve watched this with some interest.
From what I’ve seen both come across as good guys, until recently. The mountain has done himself no favours with his demeanour. The ‘fight’ sure will be interesting if it takes place.
The strongman I probably like most is Brian Shaw. He looks even more ridiculous and cartoon like than any of them but is just such a nice humble bloke
@MN5 Tyson was the ultimate weapon. Cus created a boxer, defensively, like no other. We had not seen, nor since, head and body movement like Tyson. I think Tyson is the second greatest heavyweight. But he could have ended Ali when both in their prime. Just the same as Ali could have gotten into his head and mind fucked him into being over-aggressive. Which would have lead to Ali exploiting that weakness.
So hard to call. Smartest of ring smarts and defensive skill VS otherworldly knock out precision, body movement and power.
I'd go Tyson now. 10 years ago I was for Ali .
