You'll smack six shades of shit out of us next week
Ah, the glorious fighting loss, that sets us up for a hiding next week.
You guys are pulling your dick hairs out with frustration about Foster but ultimately you'll smack six shades of shit out of us next week. Yeah sure, Foster might be an idiot, but the cohesion issues won't be as prominent.
I'm generally happy with the Wallabies' performance. Goal kicking could have been better but I only count 4 points from missed conversions in that - as I've said many times before, you can't really count penalties because they change the course of a game radically. Sliding doors as @Bones said.
Williams warned the ABs in the second half, then did nothing about it. Sure the try probably rubbed out the yellow in the first instance, and that's fairly common. But he clearly asked for a change in behaviour and didn't get it for subsequent penalties. Besides that, and the call against Tupou at scrum time, I thought he was lightly biased toward the Wallabies early then evened out later into competence.
The 18-9 penalty count will concern both of Foster's brain cells.
Our bench definitely outplayed the ABs. I think that was in part due to the disruption to the lineup pre-match. We executed better as the match went on, after a fairly disastrous lineout performance in the first 40. The guys coming on included Gordon and To'omua who are solid players, and McReight added a bit of speed and breakdown nous that Wilson (who missed the vital mark on Mo'unga in the no-try) doesn't have.
Scrum much improved with Phillip there - I think LSL maybe needs a bench shift next match. Swain at LH lock and Philip TH.
The complaints about the ABs only playing well for 20ish minutes are valid, but then they've been roughly that team for a few years now. Most times, it is enough to win. Tonight proved no different.
It comes down to little moments from the Wobs: in the shadows of halftime, having just scored a nice try, we advance ahead of the kicker. The culprit? Hooper.
Rookie backline did alright, all things considered. Banks the most capped with 14. Kellaway had a great game and starkly illustrated what Wright does not have: patience and temperament for Test Rugby.
To me, 8 points is about right in terms of the basic errors we made. The AB bench will be better for the run. If Coles and SBarret come back it'll probably look different.
@canefan said in All Blacks vs Wallabies Bledisloe 1 Eden Park 7th Aug:
@rancid-schnitzel said in All Blacks vs Wallabies Bledisloe 1 Eden Park 7th Aug:
@derpus said in All Blacks vs Wallabies Bledisloe 1 Eden Park 7th Aug:
@sparky why because we dont play retarded 10 man boxkickathon shit like South Africa and the old enemy?
I think both teams have some great talent coming through and we will go well at the next RWC. Both teams packs to me seem like they can genuinely muscle up but also marry that with a bit of backline play.
Fuck it. Straya will never win at Eden Park but we put some good play together and if not for a loose 20 minutes and uncharacteristic goalkicking would've been right in it.
Good post. Fuck me if the Boks haven’t been built up to mythical proportions. That final win was incredibly impressive but they’re not the second coming of Christ some people seem to think they are.
We beat them in the group stages for starters
Convincingly as well.
@chris we also have a decent bench with guys like Uelese and Tupou coming on. Its alright to credit us with some shit.
I thought RM had a blinder going forward and a nightmare in defense. Tough one that.
Havili seems kinda average. One of the only positions in my view where the Aussie option clearly the better player (but needs to tidy up security in contact).
Numerous AB infringements in the 22 and no yellow with an all kiwi reffing team. Shock.
Edit: Sevu with a blinder supporting the AB selection policies of late.
@hooroo said in All Blacks vs Wallabies Bledisloe 1 Eden Park 7th Aug:
Rennie hit the nail on the head.
What was it he said?
@kiwimurph said in All Blacks vs Wallabies Bledisloe 1 Eden Park 7th Aug:
Be interesting to see what changes are made to the bench.
Coles (if fit), Lomax, S Barrett and Will Jordan would be mine
I would have Jordie or Will Jordan to start.
@derpus said in All Blacks vs Wallabies Bledisloe 1 Eden Park 7th Aug:
Edit: Sevu with a blinder supporting the AB selection policies of late.
Which is what exactly?
Serious question, coz I’d say 99% of people here have no fucking idea.
@antipodean said in All Blacks vs Wallabies Bledisloe 1 Eden Park 7th Aug:
@hooroo said in All Blacks vs Wallabies Bledisloe 1 Eden Park 7th Aug:
Rennie hit the nail on the head.
What was it he said?
He's "bloody angry"
@antipodean said in All Blacks vs Wallabies Bledisloe 1 Eden Park 7th Aug:
@hooroo said in All Blacks vs Wallabies Bledisloe 1 Eden Park 7th Aug:
Rennie hit the nail on the head.
What was it he said?
Mentioned the number of AB penalties without a YC. Not wrong.
@nta and Jordan for one of DMac or JB, he gets at least one arsey play a game.
The loosies gave me a horn so that’s something to be positive about. Reckon Jacobsen should start though. In the backs DMac has to be a bench player. He tries hard but it’s not what is required at the early stages. Doesn’t seem to be a good balance with RM either. Too much headless chickeness. Jordie is the better option imho. Not a huge fan of Havili but can give him time. Reiko on the wing was a highlight. Keep him there goddami.
@sparky said in All Blacks vs Wallabies Bledisloe 1 Eden Park 7th Aug:
@mn5 ? @His-Bobness is a Fern legend.
You know that guy at the bar who's been around forever who doesn't say much, but every word is gold. That's @His-Bobness.
@chris said in All Blacks vs Wallabies Bledisloe 1 Eden Park 7th Aug:
@kirwan said in All Blacks vs Wallabies Bledisloe 1 Eden Park 7th Aug:
@chris said in All Blacks vs Wallabies Bledisloe 1 Eden Park 7th Aug:
@kirwan said in All Blacks vs Wallabies Bledisloe 1 Eden Park 7th Aug:
@kiwimurph said in All Blacks vs Wallabies Bledisloe 1 Eden Park 7th Aug:
Mounga clearly had a good game.
He kicked well and got a good intercept try. But in the first half he didn’t get us around the field, defended badly and again was hidden on the wing on defence.
Will bite us on the bum one day.
When we took him off it almost did bite us in the Bum, our attack ceased to exist.
Too many subs contributed to that, we started losing scrums and conceding lots of penalties.
Bad coaching we had mometuem
RM, Akira were playing their best minutes ,and we take them off and give mometuem to the Aussies take, no vision by the coaching staff.
Yeah, this was very frustrating. Those two had really come into their own, and we were well in top. Don't make substitutions just for the sake of it.
@tim said in All Blacks vs Wallabies Bledisloe 1 Eden Park 7th Aug:
@chris said in All Blacks vs Wallabies Bledisloe 1 Eden Park 7th Aug:
@kirwan said in All Blacks vs Wallabies Bledisloe 1 Eden Park 7th Aug:
@chris said in All Blacks vs Wallabies Bledisloe 1 Eden Park 7th Aug:
@kirwan said in All Blacks vs Wallabies Bledisloe 1 Eden Park 7th Aug:
@kiwimurph said in All Blacks vs Wallabies Bledisloe 1 Eden Park 7th Aug:
Mounga clearly had a good game.
He kicked well and got a good intercept try. But in the first half he didn’t get us around the field, defended badly and again was hidden on the wing on defence.
Will bite us on the bum one day.
When we took him off it almost did bite us in the Bum, our attack ceased to exist.
Too many subs contributed to that, we started losing scrums and conceding lots of penalties.
Bad coaching we had mometuem
RM, Akira were playing their best minutes ,and we take them off and give mometuem to the Aussies take, no vision by the coaching staff.Yeah, this was very frustrating. Those two had really come into their own, and we were well in top. Don't make substitutions just for the sake of it.
Especially when they are two players only recently finding their feet at this level. Let them dominate and build confidence.
@rancid-schnitzel said in All Blacks vs Wallabies Bledisloe 1 Eden Park 7th Aug:
Good post. Fuck me if the Boks haven’t been built up to mythical proportions.
Not playing anyone for a year will do that.
@derpus said in All Blacks vs Wallabies Bledisloe 1 Eden Park 7th Aug:
I thought RM had a blinder going forward and a nightmare in defense. Tough one that.
That sums up Mo'unga's career to date. Seriously good on attack, but gets found wanting on defense. Also has been a bit if a possum in the headlights when the team is on the back foot.
Personally I would have liked to see him used off the bench more early in his career, he carves up against tired defenses and it would allow him to build confidence before being put in the box seat. Playing him at 10 at the RWC was a huge mistake when we had the experience of Beauden and Ben Smith to play 10/15. Such poor coaching, but I digress.
@kirwan said in All Blacks vs Wallabies Bledisloe 1 Eden Park 7th Aug:
@nta and Jordan for one of DMac or JB, he gets at least one arsey play a game.
Put BB in there too, and that's three arsey plays minimum.
@no-quarter Why are people focusing on RM? He played well! Watch the friggen game again and tell me who in NZ would have played remotely better!
I'm sure the hot topic of conversation has been the impact of the bench, or lack of it. Not helped by who was actually on the bench. Trying to fit in all the Barretts as well as Mo'unga and DMac was always going to be a big mistake, particularly if JB ends up on the wing again. With injuries the decision on the back reserves were sort of forced on them.
In the forwards, Ta'avao and Tuipulotu are 3rd or 4th choice in their positions. The return of Ofa and S Barrett will help there.
I was disappointed in Ardie in this game. Easily the worst of the starting loose forwards. Whitelock has to take some responsibility for the poor discipline.
ESPN has him with no tackles made, 1 tackle missed, and 1 turnover. Given that they choose to hide him, its a recipe for a good coach to exploit.
On the other hand, once he starts running, he’s lethal. But when he doesn’t, he’s not as good as either Dmac or Barret would be as they could defend at 10.
@nta said in All Blacks vs Wallabies Bledisloe 1 Eden Park 7th Aug:
@rancid-schnitzel said in All Blacks vs Wallabies Bledisloe 1 Eden Park 7th Aug:
Good post. Fuck me if the Boks haven’t been built up to mythical proportions.
Not playing anyone for a year will do that.
I don’t know. People were fapping on about them even before they pulled the pin last year.
@bones said in All Blacks vs Wallabies Bledisloe 1 Eden Park 7th Aug:
@booboo said in All Blacks vs Wallabies Bledisloe 1 Eden Park 7th Aug:
@bones said in All Blacks vs Wallabies Bledisloe 1 Eden Park 7th Aug:
Still cringe when the stadium only pipes up for the English verse. So odd... shouldn't most of the fans at least be around our age and know the full anthem?
Felt the Maori verse was sung loud and proud as it's ever been.
I'm not here to talk about your feelings.
My facts don't care for your feelings
@old-samurai-jack said in All Blacks vs Wallabies Bledisloe 1 Eden Park 7th Aug:
@no-quarter Why are people focusing on RM? He played well! Watch the friggen game again and tell me who in NZ would have played remotely better!
Myself, I want him to improve his defence like BB had to at the beginning.
@gt12 said in All Blacks vs Wallabies Bledisloe 1 Eden Park 7th Aug:
ESPN has him with no tackles made, 1 tackle missed, and 1 turnover. Given that they choose to hide him, its a recipe for a good coach to exploit.
On the other hand, once he starts running, he’s lethal. But when he doesn’t, he’s not as good as either Dmac or Barret would be as they could defend at 10.
No tackles! Holy shit that tells a story in itself.
@rancid-schnitzel said in All Blacks vs Wallabies Bledisloe 1 Eden Park 7th Aug:
@nta said in All Blacks vs Wallabies Bledisloe 1 Eden Park 7th Aug:
@rancid-schnitzel said in All Blacks vs Wallabies Bledisloe 1 Eden Park 7th Aug:
Good post. Fuck me if the Boks haven’t been built up to mythical proportions.
Not playing anyone for a year will do that.
I don’t know. People were fapping on about them even before they pulled the pin last year.
Better to talk them up - if you lose, you were right, and if you win, you win.
@kiwimurph said in All Blacks vs Wallabies Bledisloe 1 Eden Park 7th Aug:
Went back and looked at that Mounga missed tackle and it wasn't as bad as being made out. He got caught in two minds whether to go for the ball or tackle and ended up in no man's land and was too late to go for the tackle.
Taylor's missed tackle was far worse.
@no-quarter said in All Blacks vs Wallabies Bledisloe 1 Eden Park 7th Aug:
I almost lost my shit when Jordie went to the wing again. Just so fucking dumb. He either starts at 15 or he's not in the 23, I just don't understand what they are doing with him; his performances on the wing are worse than Bridge and sooooo far below what you'd expect of an AB winger.
Yeah, it's just plain stupid. He isn't a Test winger and if he IS in the 23 then have him at 15 - where he is OK - in your game plan or off the bench at 15. Totally illogical and could screw his confidence.
@kiwimurph Even Bridge hasn't played much this year. Played a few games after return from injury and then missed SR TT due to appendicitis. Weird that two ABs got appendicitis so soon after each other, btw.
@kev said in All Blacks vs Wallabies Bledisloe 1 Eden Park 7th Aug:
That scrum was the turning point for me. It was on Angus Ta’avaos side. Not good enough really.
Did Whitelock swap to the TH side when BBBR went off? I wasn't looking closely but he usually scrums on that side in combo with Barrett. Questions about Tuipulotu's scrummaging persists.
@gt12 said in All Blacks vs Wallabies Bledisloe 1 Eden Park 7th Aug:
ESPN has him with no tackles made, 1 tackle missed, and 1 turnover. Given that they choose to hide him, its a recipe for a good coach to exploit.
On the other hand, once he starts running, he’s lethal. But when he doesn’t, he’s not as good as either Dmac or Barret would be as they could defend at 10.
Those stats don’t seem right because he made that tackle 3 metres out from our line when Oz were hot on attack.
@act-crusader said in All Blacks vs Wallabies Bledisloe 1 Eden Park 7th Aug:
@gt12 said in All Blacks vs Wallabies Bledisloe 1 Eden Park 7th Aug:
ESPN has him with no tackles made, 1 tackle missed, and 1 turnover. Given that they choose to hide him, its a recipe for a good coach to exploit.
On the other hand, once he starts running, he’s lethal. But when he doesn’t, he’s not as good as either Dmac or Barret would be as they could defend at 10.
Those stats don’t seem right because he made that tackle 3 metres out from our line when Oz were hot on attack.
Yep you are right,so EPNS are once again all over the place with their stats as always.
@act-crusader Don't even go there. You are arguing against the religiously blind.
@derpus said in All Blacks vs Wallabies Bledisloe 1 Eden Park 7th Aug:
@sparky why because we dont play retarded 10 man boxkickathon shit like South Africa and the old enemy?
I think both teams have some great talent coming through and we will go well at the next RWC. Both teams packs to me seem like they can genuinely muscle up but also marry that with a bit of backline play.
Fuck it. Straya will never win at Eden Park but we put some good play together and if not for a loose 20 minutes and uncharacteristic goalkicking would've been right in it.
You will win one day and if the starters had the rip shit attitude of the bench and not the hesitancy they displaced (plus, as you say, decent kicking), they would have been right into it..