Wales v Argentina
A few rambling initial thoughts, after not much sleep, and before rewatching any of it... (I reserve my right to contradict myself and change my mind without notice)
Argentina were deserving winners. But they were pretty limited, and didn't do much - just were better than Wales. We were pretty poor all game. Hugely disappointing, after we'd put in some really solid performances in the pool - but this kind of level is where we've been for a while, so given how we looked 6/12 months ago it's no shock.
Wales' best period was the first 20, where we managed the game well. But so many mistakes - handling errors mainly - meant that we only scored 10. Felt like we missed the chance to score more in that period (although to be fair so did RG). After that, we couldn't get any control for pretty much the rest of the game. Our kicking, which had been really smart and well executed against Australia, was pretty poor. Handling errors, crap line outs etc. So many of our senior players had really poor games.
Honestly can't think of much to say about Argentina. They played well enough, and smart enough, to get past Wales, but that was a low bar today.
Game was enjoyable enough, but quality was so far below the other match - the semi will be a formality if both teams play like they did today.
Still dumbfounded about the decision that it wasn't even a penalty for the hit on Tompkins. I need to watch it again before I whinge too much, but my impression at the time was that it was reckless - although Tompkins was falling at the time, so certainly some mitigation. I get what MtS says, it could have changed the outcome. But that's true of many reffing decisions during a game. If it had been a high quality, high intensity, knife-edge match then I might be furious about it.
But there are so many reasons we lost that were within our control that it doesn't seem right to just focus on one that wasn't.
@Bones Looks like Wayne Barnes settled this one for us a couple hours later. Richie Mo would have been red all day in the Premiership.
@Machpants said in RWC QF: Wales v Argentina:
Watching this now, intensity about 25% of abs game. And Wales have the worst Jersey numbers ever haha
Commentators had it right: their numbers fell apart with their game plan
@Toddy said in RWC QF: Wales v Argentina:
Funny I thought it was a good call by the ref team. Though haven't watched multiple replays. Looked the Argie cleared the Welsh player well (right in the stomach) and the other Welsh player fell into his arm. Looked like a total rugby incident.
Yes. But it hasn't been called that way for years. Correct call, but not been called that way for a long time. It's inconsistent, that's the problem
@pooler-fan said in RWC QF: Wales v Argentina:
@Machpants what's that mean? ?
Hungus is some one who holds the ball and doesn't pass, he blew a try by not passing to unmarked player, pretty game defining moment.
Good game of footy that. Wales completely fell apart and Argentina took full toll. Bit of niggle always helps a game in my eyes
Absolutely loved the reffing of the head contact. Yes head contact but no foul play. Check the player for concussion. Perfect
Pity the next won't get reffed like that.
@mariner4life said in RWC QF: Wales v Argentina:
Good game of footy that. Wales completely fell apart and Argentina took full toll. Bit of niggle always helps a game in my eyes
Absolutely loved the reffing of the head contact. Yes head contact but no foul play. Check the player for concussion. Perfect
Pity the next won't get reffed like that.
Looking forward to the reaction if one of your mob gets clattered like that
@MiketheSnow said in RWC QF: Wales v Argentina:
@mariner4life said in RWC QF: Wales v Argentina:
Good game of footy that. Wales completely fell apart and Argentina took full toll. Bit of niggle always helps a game in my eyes
Absolutely loved the reffing of the head contact. Yes head contact but no foul play. Check the player for concussion. Perfect
Pity the next won't get reffed like that.
Looking forward to the reaction if one of your mob gets clattered like that
Come on, you've been here long enough to know I won't care. He fell in to it.
@mariner4life said in RWC QF: Wales v Argentina:
@MiketheSnow said in RWC QF: Wales v Argentina:
@mariner4life said in RWC QF: Wales v Argentina:
Good game of footy that. Wales completely fell apart and Argentina took full toll. Bit of niggle always helps a game in my eyes
Absolutely loved the reffing of the head contact. Yes head contact but no foul play. Check the player for concussion. Perfect
Pity the next won't get reffed like that.
Looking forward to the reaction if one of your mob gets clattered like that
Come on, you've been here long enough to know I won't care. He fell in to it.
By the laws still a penalty, even if an accident.
@mariner4life said in RWC QF: Wales v Argentina:
@MiketheSnow said in RWC QF: Wales v Argentina:
@mariner4life said in RWC QF: Wales v Argentina:
Good game of footy that. Wales completely fell apart and Argentina took full toll. Bit of niggle always helps a game in my eyes
Absolutely loved the reffing of the head contact. Yes head contact but no foul play. Check the player for concussion. Perfect
Pity the next won't get reffed like that.
Looking forward to the reaction if one of your mob gets clattered like that
Come on, you've been here long enough to know I won't care. He fell in to it.
I'd be screaming for a card. But, also:
@Toddy said in RWC QF: Wales v Argentina:
@Machpants Are you sure
Looking at the process, and rewatching the incident, it seems pretty clear to me that Dickson shat the bed.
Law 20: Dangerous play in a ruck or maul.
A ) A player must not charge into a ruck or maul. Charging includes any contact made without binding onto another player in the ruck or maul.
B ) A player must not make contact with an opponent above the line of the shoulders.
So that's a clear "Yes" to the first 2 questions.
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What was the degree of danger?
Well, it meets the direct contact, high speed, and dynamic criteria (and arguably some others). So that's RC territory. -
Is there any mitigation?
Yup, Tompkins was falling. So that means it's downgraded to YC.
It's a fairly well defined process (whether you agree with it or not), so how the heck they came up with no penalty is a mystery for the ages.